Episode 28

Let the Agent Cook — with Trevor Manz

Trevor Manz went from measuring plant apertures by hand in a wet lab to building the notebook that lets coding agents take the wheel. The creator of anywidget and founding engineer at marimo (marimo.io/pair) popped into The Test Set to spill on reactive notebooks, why marimo pair threw out every MCP tool but one, and what agents really want out of a data environment. This conversation also features a jacket bouncer, a hidden Python API, and Michael's slow-motion war with the word "marimo."

Episode notes

Trevor Manz (founding engineer at marimo, creator of anywidget) joins Michael and Hadley to talk reactive notebooks, code mode, and why marimo.io/pair ships with only one agent tool. Bonus material: competitive swimming and mandatory dinner gowns at Cambridge.

  • Cell order doesn't matter in a reactive Python notebook
  • Wet-lab pipettes and Harvard's visualization group, via Raspberry Pi
  • The problem with building beautiful tools nobody actually uses
  • The reason marimo pair deleted every agent tool but one
  • Code mode: the hidden API humans aren't supposed to touch
  • What happens when you ship the API your LLM hallucinated

Hosts & guests

Data Scientist and Software Engineer at Posit, PBC
Michael Chow
Hadley Wickham Headshot
Chief Scientist, Posit
Hadley Wickham
Trevor Manz
Creator of anywidget and Founding Engineer at merimo
Trevor Manz